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	<description>Alan Levine&#039;s space for barking about and playing with technology</description>
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		<title>By: Read-Blend-Write Web at StigmergicWeb</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>Read-Blend-Write Web at StigmergicWeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#8217;ve all become fairly accustomed to this read-write web thingy where we are all consumers and producers of information. I use the pronoun we assuming that if you are reading this, you are probably also involved in creating some sort of online content (blogging, wiki-ing, podcasting, contributing to discussion groups) or you soon will be. But I&#8217;ve noticed lately that another element is being emphasized, that of blending different RSS or Atom feeds together to create a sort of meta-feed. I don&#8217;t think that its new because I&#8217;m sure that I remember reading Brian and Alan writing about Rip-Mix-Feed, a pithy little meme summarizing how information can be repurposed using some fairly simple small technologies. In a sense, we all do this every day. I talk to students and colleagues, I pick up ideas from them (as they might also do from me), our ideas all get remixed somewhere in the connections my frontal cortex, and I pass the remixed ideas on to others as I speak with them or, most notably, as I write. I have found that blog writing is a medium especially well suited to this forwarding of my mental feeds. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;ve all become fairly accustomed to this read-write web thingy where we are all consumers and producers of information. I use the pronoun we assuming that if you are reading this, you are probably also involved in creating some sort of online content (blogging, wiki-ing, podcasting, contributing to discussion groups) or you soon will be. But I&#8217;ve noticed lately that another element is being emphasized, that of blending different RSS or Atom feeds together to create a sort of meta-feed. I don&#8217;t think that its new because I&#8217;m sure that I remember reading Brian and Alan writing about Rip-Mix-Feed, a pithy little meme summarizing how information can be repurposed using some fairly simple small technologies. In a sense, we all do this every day. I talk to students and colleagues, I pick up ideas from them (as they might also do from me), our ideas all get remixed somewhere in the connections my frontal cortex, and I pass the remixed ideas on to others as I speak with them or, most notably, as I write. I have found that blog writing is a medium especially well suited to this forwarding of my mental feeds. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Gershman</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-736</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Gershman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m Greg, from Blogdigger; thanks for the kind words about Blogdigger Groups, I&#039;m glad you found it useful.  As you mentioned, Groups is still in beta, and in need of some obvious improvements but we are hoping to get the newer version out relatively soon.  The filtering is currently disabled (apologies), it will be working in the new version.



One new feature I&#039;m working on is a Groups alias; for example: &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004.&quot;&gt;http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004.&lt;/a&gt;  If you would like, I can put an alias in for your Group, just send me an email and let me know what you would like to use.  And I&#039;d love to get any other feedback, we&#039;re always looking for ideas!



Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m Greg, from Blogdigger; thanks for the kind words about Blogdigger Groups, I&#8217;m glad you found it useful.  As you mentioned, Groups is still in beta, and in need of some obvious improvements but we are hoping to get the newer version out relatively soon.  The filtering is currently disabled (apologies), it will be working in the new version.</p>
<p>One new feature I&#8217;m working on is a Groups alias; for example: <a href="http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004."></a><a href="http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004" rel="nofollow">http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004</a>.  If you would like, I can put an alias in for your Group, just send me an email and let me know what you would like to use.  And I&#8217;d love to get any other feedback, we&#8217;re always looking for ideas!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, 



You&#039;re definitely right -- Feedpapers are powerful but they aren&#039;t real time enough and we need to fix that.  Your input is actually quite timely (since I&#039;m working on them now) and I&#039;ll let you know status shortly.



Take care.



Scott (Yes I write Feedster code and I&#039;m responsible  for many of its flaws ;-) ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, </p>
<p>You&#8217;re definitely right &#8212; Feedpapers are powerful but they aren&#8217;t real time enough and we need to fix that.  Your input is actually quite timely (since I&#8217;m working on them now) and I&#8217;ll let you know status shortly.</p>
<p>Take care.</p>
<p>Scott (Yes I write Feedster code and I&#8217;m responsible  for many of its flaws ;-) ).</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen Holotescu</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen Holotescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,



I&#039;m Carmen, from Timsoft-eLearning Romania - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timsoft.ro.&quot;&gt;http://www.timsoft.ro.&lt;/a&gt;



I found Alan&#039;s blog ( and of course the entire weblog ) and comments very interesting.



I also appreciate Blogdigger&#039;s facilities and am waiting for the Feedpapers news. 



My intentions in using Blogdigger Groups are:



:: a ( private ) group for the online courses moderated by a facilitator; at Timsoft, we have developed a VLE called eLearnTS; each virtual space has its own RSS, collecting the new messages and the facilitator&#039;s announcements; it&#039;s a private RSS feed ( URL specified by: &lt;a href=&quot;http://username:password@address&quot;&gt;http://username:password@address&lt;/a&gt; ); Blogdigger doesn&#039;t recognise such a RSS feed; neither Bloglines; we use Serence KlipFolio ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.serence.com&quot;&gt;http://www.serence.com&lt;/a&gt; ), which is a desktop RSS Reader, but it displays each RSS separately;



:: a group for Learning Objects/Resources specified by RSS-LOM feeds - such an example is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml&quot;&gt;http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml&lt;/a&gt; ( see Stephen Downes - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.downes.ca/xml/RSS_LOM.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.downes.ca/xml/RSS_LOM.htm&lt;/a&gt; ); a group of RSS-LOMs would be useful, especially when the filters will be available; even if Blogdigger adds such RSS-LOM files to the group, it doesn&#039;t display the corresponding items.



I would appreciate your feedback on grouping these RSS variants.



Thanks,

Carmen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Carmen, from Timsoft-eLearning Romania &#8211; <a href="http://www.timsoft.ro."></a><a href="http://www.timsoft.ro" rel="nofollow">http://www.timsoft.ro</a>.</p>
<p>I found Alan&#8217;s blog ( and of course the entire weblog ) and comments very interesting.</p>
<p>I also appreciate Blogdigger&#8217;s facilities and am waiting for the Feedpapers news. </p>
<p>My intentions in using Blogdigger Groups are:</p>
<p>:: a ( private ) group for the online courses moderated by a facilitator; at Timsoft, we have developed a VLE called eLearnTS; each virtual space has its own RSS, collecting the new messages and the facilitator&#8217;s announcements; it&#8217;s a private RSS feed ( URL specified by: <a href="http://username:password@address">http://username:password@address</a> ); Blogdigger doesn&#8217;t recognise such a RSS feed; neither Bloglines; we use Serence KlipFolio ( <a href="http://www.serence.com">http://www.serence.com</a> ), which is a desktop RSS Reader, but it displays each RSS separately;</p>
<p>:: a group for Learning Objects/Resources specified by RSS-LOM feeds &#8211; such an example is <a href="http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml">http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml</a> ( see Stephen Downes &#8211; <a href="http://www.downes.ca/xml/RSS_LOM.htm">http://www.downes.ca/xml/RSS_LOM.htm</a> ); a group of RSS-LOMs would be useful, especially when the filters will be available; even if Blogdigger adds such RSS-LOM files to the group, it doesn&#8217;t display the corresponding items.</p>
<p>I would appreciate your feedback on grouping these RSS variants.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Carmen</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmen,



Thanks for visiting from Romania.



I doubt any &quot;expertise&quot; I have may help, but since your feeds are apparently very specialized, it sounds like to me you may have to develop or program your own aggregator. 



To use these tools, your RSS feeds must have XML with the equivaleints if item -&gt; title, item -&gt; link, item -&gt; description which I do not really see in ones such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml&quot;&gt;http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml&lt;/a&gt;



so it is no surprsie standard tools cannot do much with the data. Just because something is XML does NOT mean that any RSS tool can process it.



Depending on which programing tools are available (PHP, JSP, ASP, perl) you can likely find existing libraries that can help convert the XML to some sort of data set (array) and then re-purpose the output.



Wish I had something more specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmen,</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting from Romania.</p>
<p>I doubt any &#8220;expertise&#8221; I have may help, but since your feeds are apparently very specialized, it sounds like to me you may have to develop or program your own aggregator. </p>
<p>To use these tools, your RSS feeds must have XML with the equivaleints if item -&gt; title, item -&gt; link, item -&gt; description which I do not really see in ones such as <a href="http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml">http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml</a></p>
<p>so it is no surprsie standard tools cannot do much with the data. Just because something is XML does NOT mean that any RSS tool can process it.</p>
<p>Depending on which programing tools are available (PHP, JSP, ASP, perl) you can likely find existing libraries that can help convert the XML to some sort of data set (array) and then re-purpose the output.</p>
<p>Wish I had something more specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Good</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are definitely moving in the right direction, and I am all for supporting whoever else senses the relevance of this for our future.



I have made a short news post (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy)&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy)&lt;/a&gt; to provide a few suggestions in relation to other tools that can be used to do this newsmastering task and I have been eagerly looking up to companies that wanted to take this challenge seriously, as the opportunity for a great killer app is all there to be tapped.



Unfortunately they are all sleeping on it.



From Technorati to Six Apart, Feedster, PubSub, Bloglines and many others, not one has been able to attack, understand and prototype an RSS news mixing Web application like we really need.



My bet is that the one that will do this first and best, will have great profit-making opportunities for a long time to come. Many business models can be built around this, while leaving open to its natural free flow the core basic content that blogs originate.



Keep it up and come by to get your free complimentary NewsMasters Toolkit. You and Brian deserve one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are definitely moving in the right direction, and I am all for supporting whoever else senses the relevance of this for our future.</p>
<p>I have made a short news post (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy)"></a><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy</a>) to provide a few suggestions in relation to other tools that can be used to do this newsmastering task and I have been eagerly looking up to companies that wanted to take this challenge seriously, as the opportunity for a great killer app is all there to be tapped.</p>
<p>Unfortunately they are all sleeping on it.</p>
<p>From Technorati to Six Apart, Feedster, PubSub, Bloglines and many others, not one has been able to attack, understand and prototype an RSS news mixing Web application like we really need.</p>
<p>My bet is that the one that will do this first and best, will have great profit-making opportunities for a long time to come. Many business models can be built around this, while leaving open to its natural free flow the core basic content that blogs originate.</p>
<p>Keep it up and come by to get your free complimentary NewsMasters Toolkit. You and Brian deserve one!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lauer</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan, 

Am not sure if you have seen Feedburner or not, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home&quot;&gt;http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home&lt;/a&gt;  but it too allows you to combine RSS feeds into a single feed. I set one up to combine my Flickr posts with my weblog... 



&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/Education/technology-TimLauer&quot;&gt;http://feeds.feedburner.com/Education/technology-TimLauer&lt;/a&gt;



Oh and thanks for the Blogger post... Lots of good information to help me plan for a class.



Tim Lauer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan, </p>
<p>Am not sure if you have seen Feedburner or not, <a href="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home">http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home</a>  but it too allows you to combine RSS feeds into a single feed. I set one up to combine my Flickr posts with my weblog&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/Education/technology-TimLauer">http://feeds.feedburner.com/Education/technology-TimLauer</a></p>
<p>Oh and thanks for the Blogger post&#8230; Lots of good information to help me plan for a class.</p>
<p>Tim Lauer</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;LOR&lt;/strong&gt;

Blogdigger- Wow .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>LOR</strong></p>
<p>Blogdigger- Wow .</p>
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		<title>By: cogdogblog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>cogdogblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogdigger- Wow&lt;/strong&gt;

Within three hours of writing yesterday about Blogdigger (an RSS feed combiner that returns a group of feeds as a single feed), I got a nice comment from Greg at Bloggdigger who let me know that the filtering tools were...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogdigger- Wow</strong></p>
<p>Within three hours of writing yesterday about Blogdigger (an RSS feed combiner that returns a group of feeds as a single feed), I got a nice comment from Greg at Bloggdigger who let me know that the filtering tools were&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2004/08/17/rip-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;blog tech&lt;/strong&gt;

RSS Feeds for Comments/Trackbacks Per Blog Post .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>blog tech</strong></p>
<p>RSS Feeds for Comments/Trackbacks Per Blog Post .</p>
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