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	<description>Alan Levine Barks Here</description>
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		<title>By: Darren Cannell</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Cannell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the following in the Teaching and Developing Online blog on October 7 2004.</p>
<p>Nice to see we are all thinking along the same lines.</p>
<p>Learning Object Repositories are a thing of the past as seen through the cyber glasses.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, the number one issue of using learning objects to create course material is one of saving time (searching vs. starting from scratch). The challenge to find just the right learning object to meet instructional requirements is almost as great as developing a standardized globally acceptable meta-system. These issues alone are why the learning object repositories concept has not taken off. </p>
<p>Most experts when trying to explain why the repository system has become bogged down will try to blame it on a lack of meta-tagging or standards. The development of a universally accepted meta-tag system would only result in a lot of work for undergraduate students who would be needed to apply these to the existing learning objects. The expertˆ‚s solution to this costly method of meta-tagging the learning objects is to get the users of the repositories to tag the objects as they search and sort through them. This user meta-tagging system is flawed because even the easiest user applicable tagging system will require time and expertise that most searchers who are pressed for time even to find an object that comes close to matching the style and needs of the course do not have. The other choice is to get the developer at the time of creation to tag the object, again flawed because the developer has barely the time needed to adequately create the learning object never mind meta-tagging so someone else out there on the web would be able to find it and use it. A robot type tagging system has the best chance of success. But once tagged the fact still remains that the majority of learning objects are created by course designers to fit into a specific location and style. This limits the usefulness of much of the material which would be found within a repository and greatly reducing the chances of finding a sufficient number of objects that look like they belong together and fit the needs. After taking all this into consideration perhaps it is better just to create the material from scratch. Then once the course has been created, enhance and support it with robot tagged learning objects that you might (I stress the word might) have time to search for once you have taught the course for a few years. Which comes to another question, has anyone every ever really completed an online course? Every online course that I have written never seems to be done; I am always finding new exciting learning objects to support my created content. Maybe this is the answer to how and when learning objects should be used in creating learning material. </p>
<p>Learning object repositories are a thing of the past. The material should reside in the location it was originally created for. Once tagged in that location it can be found as easily there as it could be found in a repository. The money being spent collecting all the objects into a repository should be spent on developing an automated tagging system then the complete web becomes the repository, removing the need for duplication of objects.</p>
<p>Possibly a narrow tinted view through the cyber glasses.</p>
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		<title>By: ismael</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>ismael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yan Simard and I had a discussion on this back in January through my posts in ICTlogy.net and his comments to them. Not heavy literature but some musings around the subject. You can find them in the following links:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=208&quot;&gt;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=208&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=210&quot;&gt;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=210&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=219&quot;&gt;http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=219&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yan Simard and I had a discussion on this back in January through my posts in ICTlogy.net and his comments to them. Not heavy literature but some musings around the subject. You can find them in the following links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=208">http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=208</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=210">http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=210</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=219">http://www.ictlogy.net/index.php?p=219</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The repository is of course an artifact of the LCMS model where you did not simply link to resources, you &#039;acquired&#039; them, loaded them to your own system, and then embedded them into content packages.



No browser can read a content package, of course, but content packages are intended for shipping and delivery - they are intended to be run on stand-alone systems, such as CD-ROM or internet-disabled intranets.



The nominal reason for this is that a course designer cannot be sure that a resource will remain on a third party site, and must therefore procure an actual copy of the resource. The larger reason is that content packages are viewed in the manner of, say, books or even software programs, and the entire content must be &#039;republished&#039; as a whole. Following this publishing model, of course, it also ensures that any content used in a course is cleared and paid for.



Challenge content packaging and repositories - as I have - and you will hear no end of stories about unreliable content, limited connectivity, and lack of control over design and format.



In my opinion, online learning and CBT should never have &#039;merged&#039; to become e-learning -- what works on CD-ROMs doesn&#039;t work on the internet, and vice versa. And we are now saddled with a cumbersome system of federated search, content packages and learning design, none of which came into being with any of the affordances of the internet in mind.



-- Stephen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The repository is of course an artifact of the LCMS model where you did not simply link to resources, you &#8216;acquired&#8217; them, loaded them to your own system, and then embedded them into content packages.</p>
<p>No browser can read a content package, of course, but content packages are intended for shipping and delivery &#8211; they are intended to be run on stand-alone systems, such as CD-ROM or internet-disabled intranets.</p>
<p>The nominal reason for this is that a course designer cannot be sure that a resource will remain on a third party site, and must therefore procure an actual copy of the resource. The larger reason is that content packages are viewed in the manner of, say, books or even software programs, and the entire content must be &#8216;republished&#8217; as a whole. Following this publishing model, of course, it also ensures that any content used in a course is cleared and paid for.</p>
<p>Challenge content packaging and repositories &#8211; as I have &#8211; and you will hear no end of stories about unreliable content, limited connectivity, and lack of control over design and format.</p>
<p>In my opinion, online learning and CBT should never have &#8216;merged&#8217; to become e-learning &#8212; what works on CD-ROMs doesn&#8217;t work on the internet, and vice versa. And we are now saddled with a cumbersome system of federated search, content packages and learning design, none of which came into being with any of the affordances of the internet in mind.</p>
<p>&#8211; Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1200</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your thoughts here Alan. Most of our LORs, including the CAREO instance I helped build and populate, are long on metadata and short on objects. They are more like a social bookmarking site without many of the cool features of Furl or del.icio.us]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your thoughts here Alan. Most of our LORs, including the CAREO instance I helped build and populate, are long on metadata and short on objects. They are more like a social bookmarking site without many of the cool features of Furl or del.icio.us</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Lighips</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1201</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Lighips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s most outrageous about these parasites are the millions in tax dollars that this unwieldy system has cost, compounded by the news that its manifest pointlessness has claimed another victim.



The learning object mafia must be stopped, and Leon Lighips is just the man to do it.  I&#039;ve got one of these blogs now, and it&#039;s already the only weblog worth reading.



You smug and self-satisfied ed tech bloggers had better not rest too easy.  You are for me, or against me. You can be my partner, you can be my employee, or you can be my victim. I can be your friend and protector. I can be your doom. The choice is yours. Only you can make it.



Choose wisely my friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s most outrageous about these parasites are the millions in tax dollars that this unwieldy system has cost, compounded by the news that its manifest pointlessness has claimed another victim.</p>
<p>The learning object mafia must be stopped, and Leon Lighips is just the man to do it.  I&#8217;ve got one of these blogs now, and it&#8217;s already the only weblog worth reading.</p>
<p>You smug and self-satisfied ed tech bloggers had better not rest too easy.  You are for me, or against me. You can be my partner, you can be my employee, or you can be my victim. I can be your friend and protector. I can be your doom. The choice is yours. Only you can make it.</p>
<p>Choose wisely my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To continue this thinking along the same lines, it sure seems that we were creating a big white elephant. I never could get my brain around this stuff, as it didn&#039;t make business sense. The closest that I can find to true reusible objects are the permalinks that blogs produce. Produce once, find often. Glad to see many sane opinions on this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To continue this thinking along the same lines, it sure seems that we were creating a big white elephant. I never could get my brain around this stuff, as it didn&#8217;t make business sense. The closest that I can find to true reusible objects are the permalinks that blogs produce. Produce once, find often. Glad to see many sane opinions on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching and Developing Online.</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching and Developing Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;http://careo.elearning.ubc.ca/weblogs/vschools/archives/2005_02.html#010782&lt;/strong&gt;

cogdogblog: If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository?...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://careo.elearning.ubc.ca/weblogs/vschools/archives/2005_02.html#010782" rel="nofollow">http://careo.elearning.ubc.ca/weblogs/vschools/archives/2005_02.html#010782</a></strong></p>
<p>cogdogblog: If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching and Developing Online.</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching and Developing Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Repositories a thing of the past.&lt;/strong&gt;

It seems we are all thinking the same thing. cogdogblog: If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository? On October 7, 2004 I posted the following entry, check out the how we are saying almost the...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Repositories a thing of the past.</strong></p>
<p>It seems we are all thinking the same thing. cogdogblog: If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository? On October 7, 2004 I posted the following entry, check out the how we are saying almost the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1205</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository? .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>LOR</strong></p>
<p>If All The Learning Objects Are Web Pages Who Needs a Repository? .</p>
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		<title>By: Situativity</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/02/22/if-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Situativity</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Learning Objects, Repositories, and Google&lt;/strong&gt;

Alan asks some good questions about the quality and even the purpose of learning object repositories. I think that there are a couple of issues. Now, as a matter of disclosure I have to say that I straddle multiple worlds...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Learning Objects, Repositories, and Google</strong></p>
<p>Alan asks some good questions about the quality and even the purpose of learning object repositories. I think that there are a couple of issues. Now, as a matter of disclosure I have to say that I straddle multiple worlds&#8230;</p>
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