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	<title>Comments on: Conversations: Tree People and  Cave Dwellers</title>
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		<title>By: Library clips :: Internal communication blogs and km2.0 :: May :: 2006</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-5118</link>
		<dc:creator>Library clips :: Internal communication blogs and km2.0 :: May :: 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 15:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here are some posts on blogs and forums: What are the Differences Between Message Boards and Weblogs? Weblog as Online Community Management Tool Blogs and Bulletin Boards Online Forums vs Blogs Blurring the Line Between Weblogs and Discussion Forums Email Lists and Message Boards: Together at Last? Conversations: Tree People and Cave Dwellers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Orla</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>Orla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion reminds of a powerful blog entry I read awhile back (it's quite long).  Here is an apt quote from it:

"I was in a meeting this week with a group of “educators”. We were talking about Communities of Practice. I mentioned blogging several times in the meeting. At the meeting’s end, one of the participants approached me and said, “Every time you mention blogging I get annoyed. It is only a fad and will never affect education.”

I believe that it is not a fad. I believe that Blogging, and its wider family of Social Software tools, will not only affect education but will shake our entire society to the core. I believe that our descendants will look back at its arrival the same way that we now look back at the advent of the printing press.

I believe that Social Software is a vector a return to an old culture. "

http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2005/02/going_home_our_.html

I can hardly imagine what 50 years of a blog culture will do to our world.  Can you? 

I don't think that cave dwellers OR  tree house dwellers understand the implications of blogging technology.  I do not believe Gutenberg could have foreseen the fallout from his printing press either.  

That's what makes blogging so fascinating (and frightening).  Just think of the reformations that followed the invention of the printing press and the millions that were murdered for differing ideologies.  The 15th century 'Renaissance' had a dark side which reveals a power struggle between intellectual freedom and government/church control.  

Sound familiar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion reminds of a powerful blog entry I read awhile back (it&#8217;s quite long).  Here is an apt quote from it:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was in a meeting this week with a group of “educators”. We were talking about Communities of Practice. I mentioned blogging several times in the meeting. At the meeting’s end, one of the participants approached me and said, “Every time you mention blogging I get annoyed. It is only a fad and will never affect education.”</p>
<p>I believe that it is not a fad. I believe that Blogging, and its wider family of Social Software tools, will not only affect education but will shake our entire society to the core. I believe that our descendants will look back at its arrival the same way that we now look back at the advent of the printing press.</p>
<p>I believe that Social Software is a vector a return to an old culture. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2005/02/going_home_our_.html" rel="nofollow">http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2005/02/going_home_our_.html</a></p>
<p>I can hardly imagine what 50 years of a blog culture will do to our world.  Can you? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that cave dwellers OR  tree house dwellers understand the implications of blogging technology.  I do not believe Gutenberg could have foreseen the fallout from his printing press either.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what makes blogging so fascinating (and frightening).  Just think of the reformations that followed the invention of the printing press and the millions that were murdered for differing ideologies.  The 15th century &#8216;Renaissance&#8217; had a dark side which reveals a power struggle between intellectual freedom and government/church control.  </p>
<p>Sound familiar?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Josie, The posts I picked on where but a minor ones in the length of a long thread... it was in no way a criticism or a lob at Moodle or the discussion there. Its a very active community, which is a Good Thing, and in such places are a wild range of ideas.

But I see this attitude a lot with technology and how ill-informed opinions are spouted like facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Josie, The posts I picked on where but a minor ones in the length of a long thread&#8230; it was in no way a criticism or a lob at Moodle or the discussion there. Its a very active community, which is a Good Thing, and in such places are a wild range of ideas.</p>
<p>But I see this attitude a lot with technology and how ill-informed opinions are spouted like facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie Fraser</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Alan.
I think you might be misrepresenting the blog moodle.org thread a little - sure there are a people in the moodle community who have littel experience of and exposure to blogs, but there are some well informed and clear posts from the pro-blogging lobby over there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Alan.<br />
I think you might be misrepresenting the blog moodle.org thread a little - sure there are a people in the moodle community who have littel experience of and exposure to blogs, but there are some well informed and clear posts from the pro-blogging lobby over there too.</p>
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		<title>By: alQpr &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CogDogBlog � Blog Archive � Conversations: Tree People and Cave Dwellers</title>
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		<dc:creator>alQpr &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CogDogBlog � Blog Archive � Conversations: Tree People and Cave Dwellers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rejon.org : The Jon Phillips Portal</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1767</link>
		<dc:creator>rejon.org : The Jon Phillips Portal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://jade.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/cdb/2005/08/24/conversations/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying that. Now I see it as a good? interesting? thing to be graphonomic. I retract my remarks above out of my own blogged ignorance ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying that. Now I see it as a good? interesting? thing to be graphonomic. I retract my remarks above out of my own blogged ignorance <img src='http://cogdogblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Thierry</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>Thierry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan,
The fact that blogs are graphomania does not dismiss their content. War and Peace and all Shakespeare plays are actually also a form of graphomania. Graphomania (in the sense stated by Kundera) is just "The desire to have a public audience of unknown readers").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,<br />
The fact that blogs are graphomania does not dismiss their content. War and Peace and all Shakespeare plays are actually also a form of graphomania. Graphomania (in the sense stated by Kundera) is just &#8220;The desire to have a public audience of unknown readers&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1764</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only guess my point is not clear.

I love Moodle, I hardly use it, but I love the concept, the delivery, the open-ness. I am a Moodle fan from afar and I hope it continues its trajectory of success.

My trees and cave message had nothing to do with Moodle, but people who in one stroke, just dismiss blogs based on a few visits to a few examples, or just outright snobbery. It comes from people who have not spent much interaction time in these rich environmments, and it is ludicrous to paint such broad brush strokes over such a wildly varied landscape.

I would not argue there are no vain, stupid, vain, pointless blogs. Maybe there's a lot of them... but to dismiss all the potential based on the loudest examples is folly.

I am not going to argue quotations and citations and know little about the "graphomania" you describe in your link, but to me, you have just proved my point. You boldly state as a "fact" that blogs are ALL THE SAME JUST AN EGO OUTLET, and that I refuse to accept.

But hey, it is a free world, and I can be just as wrong as the next guy. However I admit it. Freely.  And for that matter, I could get a rat's behind if anyone reads my blog- I use tis for my own journaling, tracking ideas, and I search my blog on a daily basis to reference ideas and resources I wrote about years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only guess my point is not clear.</p>
<p>I love Moodle, I hardly use it, but I love the concept, the delivery, the open-ness. I am a Moodle fan from afar and I hope it continues its trajectory of success.</p>
<p>My trees and cave message had nothing to do with Moodle, but people who in one stroke, just dismiss blogs based on a few visits to a few examples, or just outright snobbery. It comes from people who have not spent much interaction time in these rich environmments, and it is ludicrous to paint such broad brush strokes over such a wildly varied landscape.</p>
<p>I would not argue there are no vain, stupid, vain, pointless blogs. Maybe there&#8217;s a lot of them&#8230; but to dismiss all the potential based on the loudest examples is folly.</p>
<p>I am not going to argue quotations and citations and know little about the &#8220;graphomania&#8221; you describe in your link, but to me, you have just proved my point. You boldly state as a &#8220;fact&#8221; that blogs are ALL THE SAME JUST AN EGO OUTLET, and that I refuse to accept.</p>
<p>But hey, it is a free world, and I can be just as wrong as the next guy. However I admit it. Freely.  And for that matter, I could get a rat&#8217;s behind if anyone reads my blog- I use tis for my own journaling, tracking ideas, and I search my blog on a daily basis to reference ideas and resources I wrote about years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Thierry</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2005/08/24/conversations/#comment-1763</link>
		<dc:creator>Thierry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moodle's initiative towards blog is great, I believe: http://www.wouarf.com/blog//index.php?2005/08/21/81-claroline-moogle

and then the argument "Come out of your trees" does not bring much to the debate about the nature of blogs : http://www.wouarf.com/blogtk/index.php?2005/05/24/25-une-nouvelle-forme-de-graphomanie-la-bloggomanie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moodle&#8217;s initiative towards blog is great, I believe: <a href="http://www.wouarf.com/blog//index.php?2005/08/21/81-claroline-moogle" rel="nofollow">http://www.wouarf.com/blog//index.php?2005/08/21/81-claroline-moogle</a></p>
<p>and then the argument &#8220;Come out of your trees&#8221; does not bring much to the debate about the nature of blogs : <a href="http://www.wouarf.com/blogtk/index.php?2005/05/24/25-une-nouvelle-forme-de-graphomanie-la-bloggomanie" rel="nofollow">http://www.wouarf.com/blogtk/index.php?2005/05/24/25-une-nouvelle-forme-de-graphomanie-la-bloggomanie</a></p>
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