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	<title>Comments on: The Dissonance of &#8220;Blogs in Education&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Alan Levine&#039;s space for barking about and playing with technology</description>
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		<title>By: Ruminate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Getting to the Practice of Blogging</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruminate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Getting to the Practice of Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alan&#8217;s post about the ugly phrase &#8220;blogs in education&#8221; was stuck in my aggregating craw (literally, my &#8220;To Contemplate&#8221; newsbin) for a while because my agreement with his main points wasn&#8217;t aligning with my own language. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alan&#8217;s post about the ugly phrase &#8220;blogs in education&#8221; was stuck in my aggregating craw (literally, my &#8220;To Contemplate&#8221; newsbin) for a while because my agreement with his main points wasn&#8217;t aligning with my own language. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging IT and EDucation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Dissonance of “Blogs in Education”</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging IT and EDucation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Dissonance of “Blogs in Education”</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alan Levine has written a thoughtful post about how we are using blogs in Education - the fact that they are often shortlived, tied to the teacher, not always allowing the student to really develop their personality. Links also to the Northern Voice Conference, which sounds like it was good. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alan Levine has written a thoughtful post about how we are using blogs in Education &#8211; the fact that they are often shortlived, tied to the teacher, not always allowing the student to really develop their personality. Links also to the Northern Voice Conference, which sounds like it was good. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3389</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Keep the cringe on-- the rate of chrun is only increasing. Either throw up yout hands and say Woooooooo or get off the roller coaster ;-) Seriously, give up the mastering of the toys, as the technology becomes more and more disposable.... but if you look very closely, at the bottom and interstices of this is much RSS and that is the true Glu.


Hey Brain! Edward Abbey said no such thing; that&#039;s just a joke in the footer of my template and the number of students is actually the number of database processes to display this mess,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Keep the cringe on&#8211; the rate of chrun is only increasing. Either throw up yout hands and say Woooooooo or get off the roller coaster ;-) Seriously, give up the mastering of the toys, as the technology becomes more and more disposable&#8230;. but if you look very closely, at the bottom and interstices of this is much RSS and that is the true Glu.</p>
<p>Hey Brain! Edward Abbey said no such thing; that&#8217;s just a joke in the footer of my template and the number of students is actually the number of database processes to display this mess,</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lee</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3387</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the outloud thinking, Alan.  Afterall, isn&#039;t that one of the best things about the blogosphere?  We don&#039;t have to have everything figured out before we publish our thoughts. 

It seems, from conversations I&#039;ve observed and participated in both on and offline, that we&#039;ve come to a point of overload.  I cringed with your list of Flickr, de.licio.us, 43things, Writely, etc. because thats exactly what I&#039;m struggling with both personally and  with Learning Circuits Blog.   On one hand, I almost feel like screaming STOP.  I need some time to get used to the toys I already have before you give me more.  But then again, each new application that&#039;s launched is so exciting (well not every new application) that I find myself diving into it and exploring it.  (My latest favorite toy is cocoment.) Hopefully efforts like D&#039;Arcy&#039;s EduGlu and others will help deal with this crazy whirl of content and applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the outloud thinking, Alan.  Afterall, isn&#8217;t that one of the best things about the blogosphere?  We don&#8217;t have to have everything figured out before we publish our thoughts. </p>
<p>It seems, from conversations I&#8217;ve observed and participated in both on and offline, that we&#8217;ve come to a point of overload.  I cringed with your list of Flickr, de.licio.us, 43things, Writely, etc. because thats exactly what I&#8217;m struggling with both personally and  with Learning Circuits Blog.   On one hand, I almost feel like screaming STOP.  I need some time to get used to the toys I already have before you give me more.  But then again, each new application that&#8217;s launched is so exciting (well not every new application) that I find myself diving into it and exploring it.  (My latest favorite toy is cocoment.) Hopefully efforts like D&#8217;Arcy&#8217;s EduGlu and others will help deal with this crazy whirl of content and applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Frieze</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3386</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Frieze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogging in Education: Is the Worm Turning?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Edward Abbey continues a conversation that has been percolating in the world of education blogs recently at his CogDog Blog in a post titled The Dissonance of Blogs in Education.

It&#039;s ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogging in Education: Is the Worm Turning?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Edward Abbey continues a conversation that has been percolating in the world of education blogs recently at his CogDog Blog in a post titled The Dissonance of Blogs in Education.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the wonderful comments and distributed conversation. 

Please, please keep in mind that this is NOT definitive and is my outloud thinking, subject to derision, change, mileage may vary, batteries not included, void if the tag is ripped off....

Also, note that this is the first time every I used a high falutin&#039; word like &quot;Dissonance&quot; which is right up there with &quot;penultimate&quot; none of which are words I use in normal conversation ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the wonderful comments and distributed conversation. </p>
<p>Please, please keep in mind that this is NOT definitive and is my outloud thinking, subject to derision, change, mileage may vary, batteries not included, void if the tag is ripped off&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also, note that this is the first time every I used a high falutin&#8217; word like &#8220;Dissonance&#8221; which is right up there with &#8220;penultimate&#8221; none of which are words I use in normal conversation ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ruminate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LinkLog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruminate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LinkLog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Dissonance of &#8220;Blogs in Education&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m probably just frustrated because I respect Alan so much, I use the term he wants to outlaw regularly, and yet I don&#8217;t disagree with his position. ARGH.[linklog edblogging edtech] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Dissonance of &#8220;Blogs in Education&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m probably just frustrated because I respect Alan so much, I use the term he wants to outlaw regularly, and yet I don&#8217;t disagree with his position. ARGH.[linklog edblogging edtech] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>D'Arcy Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I think the point is that by leaving this assumed/unsaid, it gets forgotten. In talking with teachers, students, and staff, it sounds like the majority of &quot;blogging in education&quot; initiatives involve installing a Blackboard course-centric building block and figuring that&#039;s all it takes. We see this stuff as obvious and intuitive because we&#039;ve been living it for a few years now. Most teachers (and most students) haven&#039;t - and they are being spoonfed simple IT-based solutions rather than this stuff, which is what is needed to make these activities truly successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think the point is that by leaving this assumed/unsaid, it gets forgotten. In talking with teachers, students, and staff, it sounds like the majority of &#8220;blogging in education&#8221; initiatives involve installing a Blackboard course-centric building block and figuring that&#8217;s all it takes. We see this stuff as obvious and intuitive because we&#8217;ve been living it for a few years now. Most teachers (and most students) haven&#8217;t &#8211; and they are being spoonfed simple IT-based solutions rather than this stuff, which is what is needed to make these activities truly successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eventually I am going to have to address this at more length, but I agree and disagree. I agree with the philosophical intent, bit disagree on the simple practical application of language. We can&#039;t always (or ever) be addressing topics  fully, completely, and thoroughly. Often we are talking about specific mechanics or concepts and the pragmatics of language win.

One of my approaches to blogging (I think there must needs be many) is to look at parallels with journalling-- getting at the Zen-like aspects of &quot;practice&quot; and personal space and reflection. Like many approaches, there is a lot that &quot;goes without saying&quot; in the discussion else we fall into a solipsistic hole of qualifications and explanations.

Using &quot;blogs in education&quot; is like that. There&#039;s a lot that has to go without saying in particular instances because it would take volumes to say every time! Of course the blogs in question shouldn&#039;t be *only* for a class, shouldn&#039;t be time limited to an academic term, the efforts should be integrated into the &quot;social life of students,&quot; whatever those things are that monolithic CMS vendors are creating shouldn&#039;t be called blogs at all, my students are really then being taught how to &quot;use their blogs as part of an education&quot; etc.-- but shouldn&#039;t that all go without saying sometimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually I am going to have to address this at more length, but I agree and disagree. I agree with the philosophical intent, bit disagree on the simple practical application of language. We can&#8217;t always (or ever) be addressing topics  fully, completely, and thoroughly. Often we are talking about specific mechanics or concepts and the pragmatics of language win.</p>
<p>One of my approaches to blogging (I think there must needs be many) is to look at parallels with journalling&#8211; getting at the Zen-like aspects of &#8220;practice&#8221; and personal space and reflection. Like many approaches, there is a lot that &#8220;goes without saying&#8221; in the discussion else we fall into a solipsistic hole of qualifications and explanations.</p>
<p>Using &#8220;blogs in education&#8221; is like that. There&#8217;s a lot that has to go without saying in particular instances because it would take volumes to say every time! Of course the blogs in question shouldn&#8217;t be *only* for a class, shouldn&#8217;t be time limited to an academic term, the efforts should be integrated into the &#8220;social life of students,&#8221; whatever those things are that monolithic CMS vendors are creating shouldn&#8217;t be called blogs at all, my students are really then being taught how to &#8220;use their blogs as part of an education&#8221; etc.&#8211; but shouldn&#8217;t that all go without saying sometimes?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/02/14/the-dissonance-of-blogs-in-education/comment-page-1/#comment-3367</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess one of the questions (and it&#039;s been raised elsewhere, I think it was Graeme Atwell musing on this) is whether there is a role at all for institutions in this, especially given the plethora of free hosting options? 

I don&#039;t know, but I think there still is; but the &#039;institution&#039; wouldn&#039;t be the individual college or university, it would be the state or province, much in line with the &#039;eportfolio for life&#039; initiatives trumpeted elsewhwere. I know, this will bring on a strong and immediate reaction by many people in terms of privacy and control issues, state paternalism, etc., and I really do respect these. I am no fan of being dictated to. I am just thinking out loud here. 

But I had an interesting conversation at NorthernVoices with an attendee who was from Norway (I think, I apologize if I get this wrong, maybe Sweden). We were talking with others about the issue of identity management&#039; and the fellow from Norway said, somewhat surprisedly, what, you mean your government is not involved with this? And I think he was right, not that the government *should* be involved, but that inevitably, they *will* become involved, and so instead of taking a retroactive approach to policing this after the fact, why don&#039;t we steer the boat towards getting governments to provide services in a fashion that still allows the individual to protect their rights, make different choices if they want, but also outlines the base requirements we have for safe and civil interaction online.  (sorry, this should have been a blog post of my own, didn&#039;t mean to fill up the comments area).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess one of the questions (and it&#8217;s been raised elsewhere, I think it was Graeme Atwell musing on this) is whether there is a role at all for institutions in this, especially given the plethora of free hosting options? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but I think there still is; but the &#8216;institution&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t be the individual college or university, it would be the state or province, much in line with the &#8216;eportfolio for life&#8217; initiatives trumpeted elsewhwere. I know, this will bring on a strong and immediate reaction by many people in terms of privacy and control issues, state paternalism, etc., and I really do respect these. I am no fan of being dictated to. I am just thinking out loud here. </p>
<p>But I had an interesting conversation at NorthernVoices with an attendee who was from Norway (I think, I apologize if I get this wrong, maybe Sweden). We were talking with others about the issue of identity management&#8217; and the fellow from Norway said, somewhat surprisedly, what, you mean your government is not involved with this? And I think he was right, not that the government *should* be involved, but that inevitably, they *will* become involved, and so instead of taking a retroactive approach to policing this after the fact, why don&#8217;t we steer the boat towards getting governments to provide services in a fashion that still allows the individual to protect their rights, make different choices if they want, but also outlines the base requirements we have for safe and civil interaction online.  (sorry, this should have been a blog post of my own, didn&#8217;t mean to fill up the comments area).</p>
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