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	<title>Comments on: (Trying) Doing The Right Thing</title>
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	<description>Alan Levine's blog space for barking about instructional technology</description>
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		<title>By: Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Libraries in Social Networking Software</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-5243</link>
		<dc:creator>Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Libraries in Social Networking Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 01:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Paul Pival wondered in a recent post if young people have a lesser expectation of privacy in the online environment. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true. I think they have far less of an awareness of privacy issues. For example, look at this issue that came up when Alan Levine posted a screenshot and link to a publicly available LiveJournal blog. These profiles and blogs are freely available on the Web where anyone (parents, teachers, administrators, potential employers, etc.) can see them. In the case of Facebook, profiles are slightly more private but can still be seen by anyone with an e-mail address from that school. And I&#8217;ve seen students who live on &#8220;dry campuses&#8221; writing about getting drunk the night before. And I&#8217;ve seen them complaining about teachers and posting half-naked pictures of themselves. So if they have no expectation of privacy online, why in the world would they be posting these things? And I wonder if they really believe that parents, teachers, administrators, potential employers, etc. won&#8217;t find them there. I wonder if they have a false sense of security. And if all that is true, how would they feel about librarians building presence in MySpace and Facebook or even posting comments on their profiles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Paul Pival wondered in a recent post if young people have a lesser expectation of privacy in the online environment. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true. I think they have far less of an awareness of privacy issues. For example, look at this issue that came up when Alan Levine posted a screenshot and link to a publicly available LiveJournal blog. These profiles and blogs are freely available on the Web where anyone (parents, teachers, administrators, potential employers, etc.) can see them. In the case of Facebook, profiles are slightly more private but can still be seen by anyone with an e-mail address from that school. And I&#8217;ve seen students who live on &#8220;dry campuses&#8221; writing about getting drunk the night before. And I&#8217;ve seen them complaining about teachers and posting half-naked pictures of themselves. So if they have no expectation of privacy online, why in the world would they be posting these things? And I wonder if they really believe that parents, teachers, administrators, potential employers, etc. won&#8217;t find them there. I wonder if they have a false sense of security. And if all that is true, how would they feel about librarians building presence in MySpace and Facebook or even posting comments on their profiles. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3897</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I started reading this narrative, my first thought was "obviously Gemma does not read cogdogblog or she would know that Alan is not like that." I was happy to see Alan act true to his character as a good, upstanding netizen in this matter. Thanks for the good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I started reading this narrative, my first thought was &#8220;obviously Gemma does not read cogdogblog or she would know that Alan is not like that.&#8221; I was happy to see Alan act true to his character as a good, upstanding netizen in this matter. Thanks for the good example.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must note that in her followup message to me she was very apologetic for her tone, and had she had been through several experiences of people reading, linking, and using her content in a way that she was bothered by. So I infer, Brian, she had experienced some real creeps. 

And to Vicki, those are good points about privacy. There is this tension between a desire to be open for the positive feedback that social spaces provide and the dark side that creeps in the same doors. When we sit alone in our rooms pecking into a keyboard, it does not feel like people are looking over our shoulders, peering through our blinds. The public-ness of it all is invisible. I am less concerned over "who taught her blogging" (more likely a friend) and prior lessons-- she, like all the rest of us, are learning, re-learning as we go.

It seems no different than the first email spam I naively responded to and said, "No, I really do not need that body part enlarged, please do not bother me again" -- we walk, trip, correct, and walk on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must note that in her followup message to me she was very apologetic for her tone, and had she had been through several experiences of people reading, linking, and using her content in a way that she was bothered by. So I infer, Brian, she had experienced some real creeps. </p>
<p>And to Vicki, those are good points about privacy. There is this tension between a desire to be open for the positive feedback that social spaces provide and the dark side that creeps in the same doors. When we sit alone in our rooms pecking into a keyboard, it does not feel like people are looking over our shoulders, peering through our blinds. The public-ness of it all is invisible. I am less concerned over &#8220;who taught her blogging&#8221; (more likely a friend) and prior lessons&#8211; she, like all the rest of us, are learning, re-learning as we go.</p>
<p>It seems no different than the first email spam I naively responded to and said, &#8220;No, I really do not need that body part enlarged, please do not bother me again&#8221; &#8212; we walk, trip, correct, and walk on.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Davis</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is vital that students and educators learn that all content published is indeed public.  With Google caching everything and soon to cache even more, deleting won't even remove content.

People are not getting jobs because their information in Myspace is being perused and potential employers find their weekend doings unacceptable.

If a person needs a private journal, they should keep it private or use some sort of privately hosted blogging tool that requires a password to access.  They could even us a private &lt;a href="http://westwood.wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikispace&lt;/a&gt;.

You were very gracious.  I wish the person who started Gemma blogging had done a better job educating her about the realities of public information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is vital that students and educators learn that all content published is indeed public.  With Google caching everything and soon to cache even more, deleting won&#8217;t even remove content.</p>
<p>People are not getting jobs because their information in Myspace is being perused and potential employers find their weekend doings unacceptable.</p>
<p>If a person needs a private journal, they should keep it private or use some sort of privately hosted blogging tool that requires a password to access.  They could even us a private <a href="http://westwood.wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow">Wikispace</a>.</p>
<p>You were very gracious.  I wish the person who started Gemma blogging had done a better job educating her about the realities of public information.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3884</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting sidenote to this affair is the obvious shock this person (and her online peers) exhibit on learning that what they were doing on the web was viewable by anyone.  This person seems most upset by a "violation of privacy" when she has revealed all sorts of very sensitive stuff about herself, and you revealed nothing  more, just provided a link to a public site.  (I agree, the screenshot is another matter, and I feel bad I never thought about that myself -- and wish I had looked more closely at that specific example, for that matter.)

These are the vaunted digital natives we keep reading about, in their natural habitat, exhibiting a fundamental illiteracy concerning the medium.  Given the very sensitive material published on these sites, this lack of understanding is frightening.  The ferocity of the response makes it clear that thus particular group are clearly very vulnerable -- what happens when they run into a genuine creep?

Hate to sound like one of those MySpace naysayers -- it occurs to me educators need to stop hiding from the web if they are to play a constructive role in enlightening and protecting their students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting sidenote to this affair is the obvious shock this person (and her online peers) exhibit on learning that what they were doing on the web was viewable by anyone.  This person seems most upset by a &#8220;violation of privacy&#8221; when she has revealed all sorts of very sensitive stuff about herself, and you revealed nothing  more, just provided a link to a public site.  (I agree, the screenshot is another matter, and I feel bad I never thought about that myself &#8212; and wish I had looked more closely at that specific example, for that matter.)</p>
<p>These are the vaunted digital natives we keep reading about, in their natural habitat, exhibiting a fundamental illiteracy concerning the medium.  Given the very sensitive material published on these sites, this lack of understanding is frightening.  The ferocity of the response makes it clear that thus particular group are clearly very vulnerable &#8212; what happens when they run into a genuine creep?</p>
<p>Hate to sound like one of those MySpace naysayers &#8212; it occurs to me educators need to stop hiding from the web if they are to play a constructive role in enlightening and protecting their students.</p>
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		<title>By: windygap</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator>windygap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the power and role of listening and responding humanly is what makes up for all the slimy spam, drivel, ad-crapped, crud of the net." -  cogdog

Your public, sagacious response is advantageous to me both in my work and in in life. Thanks for the reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the power and role of listening and responding humanly is what makes up for all the slimy spam, drivel, ad-crapped, crud of the net.&#8221; -  cogdog</p>
<p>Your public, sagacious response is advantageous to me both in my work and in in life. Thanks for the reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2006/03/21/trying-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said.</p>
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