Comments on: I Have a Bone To Pick With Flickr http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/ Alan Levine's space for barking about and playing with technology Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:01:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zooomr at Ruminate http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-7482 Zooomr at Ruminate Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:22:33 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-7482 [...] Zooomr looks a lot like flickr, though without the potentially quite annoying NIPSA-ing of accounts that have too many “non-photo” images (screenshots, drawings, comics, etc). [...] [...] Zooomr looks a lot like flickr, though without the potentially quite annoying NIPSA-ing of accounts that have too many “non-photo” images (screenshots, drawings, comics, etc). [...]

]]> By: NMC Campus Observer » Calling Second Life Photographers http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-7438 NMC Campus Observer » Calling Second Life Photographers Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:54:27 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-7438 [...] As a sidelight, elsewhere I have shared my own perspectives on whether these images are photos and not screenshots. Anyone that has taken time to compose a Snapshot in Second Life, knows, you compose images, frame them, zoom in or out, sometimes change lighting or angle, and that getting a good image is more than just a screen grab. [...] [...] As a sidelight, elsewhere I have shared my own perspectives on whether these images are photos and not screenshots. Anyone that has taken time to compose a Snapshot in Second Life, knows, you compose images, frame them, zoom in or out, sometimes change lighting or angle, and that getting a good image is more than just a screen grab. [...]

]]> By: Danielle Mirliss http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-7405 Danielle Mirliss Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:03:04 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-7405 [...] Flickr has recently received a lot of bad press in the Second Life community lately (see cogdogblog) because of their policy against images that do not fall into the strictest definition of a photograph. Putting this argument aside (if you look into my account I have close to 100 SL images myself), I am absolutely loving my flickr account. It might be the fact that I practically grew up in a darkroom, helping my professional photographer father develop Black and White images (I am not that old - color photographs were in existence) or that I love to create photographs myself. I would take a guess and say that it is a combination of displaying my art and sharing it with others. color photographs were in existence) or that I love to create photographs myself. I would take a guess and say that it is a combination of displaying my art and sharing it with others. [...] [...] Flickr has recently received a lot of bad press in the Second Life community lately (see cogdogblog) because of their policy against images that do not fall into the strictest definition of a photograph. Putting this argument aside (if you look into my account I have close to 100 SL images myself), I am absolutely loving my flickr account. It might be the fact that I practically grew up in a darkroom, helping my professional photographer father develop Black and White images (I am not that old – color photographs were in existence) or that I love to create photographs myself. I would take a guess and say that it is a combination of displaying my art and sharing it with others. color photographs were in existence) or that I love to create photographs myself. I would take a guess and say that it is a combination of displaying my art and sharing it with others. [...]

]]> By: Tuttle SVC » Blog Archive » Dug and Flickr’ed http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6534 Tuttle SVC » Blog Archive » Dug and Flickr’ed Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:59:19 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6534 [...] I did get stung by Flickr’s “no screenshots” policy, that Alan ran into recently, and at least one of the images on the post was unavailable for an undertermined period of time.  I can’t really complain, since it is apparently in their terms of service, but as probably 3/4ths of my Flickr images are screenshots, I guess I’m going to have to look elsewhere for image parking. [...] [...] I did get stung by Flickr’s “no screenshots” policy, that Alan ran into recently, and at least one of the images on the post was unavailable for an undertermined period of time.  I can’t really complain, since it is apparently in their terms of service, but as probably 3/4ths of my Flickr images are screenshots, I guess I’m going to have to look elsewhere for image parking. [...]

]]> By: Tao’s Thoughts » Updates on the “flickr hiding screenshots” case http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6504 Tao’s Thoughts » Updates on the “flickr hiding screenshots” case Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:21:25 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6504 [...] I’ve blogged about the problem with flickr (first found here) a while back and recently raised some disussion (and here, too) in the flickr forums and told people about it. Nice to see that Eric Rice and Torley also do blog about it and . I also contacted flickr in order to get some information about wether all the facts are correct and the answer was (unfortunately) positive. Or short, as Ana just pointed me to the community guidelines. As additional result my account is marked as NIPSA now, too. (and I am not the only one, look here for a flickr discussion search) [...] [...] I’ve blogged about the problem with flickr (first found here) a while back and recently raised some disussion (and here, too) in the flickr forums and told people about it. Nice to see that Eric Rice and Torley also do blog about it and . I also contacted flickr in order to get some information about wether all the facts are correct and the answer was (unfortunately) positive. Or short, as Ana just pointed me to the community guidelines. As additional result my account is marked as NIPSA now, too. (and I am not the only one, look here for a flickr discussion search) [...]

]]> By: what is a photograph?-- Digital Incunabula http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6452 what is a photograph?-- Digital Incunabula Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:00:51 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6452 [...] Alan Levine via CogDogBlog has a fascinating conversation spinning around the wonderful question “what is a photograph?” It seems that he’s gotten into a bit of a bind with the folks at flickr who object to his uploading ‘pictures’ he takes within Second Life using the virtual camera that Second Life provides. Flickr it seems thinks such images are not ‘real’ photographs, but are ‘mere’ screenshots and therefore violate their declared policy against screenshot sharing. Leave it to Alan to uncover these lovely little moments when the whole world is clearly creaking under the weight of pre-digital ontologies. Details with lots of juicy comments at http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/ . [...] [...] Alan Levine via CogDogBlog has a fascinating conversation spinning around the wonderful question “what is a photograph?” It seems that he’s gotten into a bit of a bind with the folks at flickr who object to his uploading ‘pictures’ he takes within Second Life using the virtual camera that Second Life provides. Flickr it seems thinks such images are not ‘real’ photographs, but are ‘mere’ screenshots and therefore violate their declared policy against screenshot sharing. Leave it to Alan to uncover these lovely little moments when the whole world is clearly creaking under the weight of pre-digital ontologies. Details with lots of juicy comments at http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/ . [...]

]]> By: Torley http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6428 Torley Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:08:35 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6428 BTW and what I should have said first, thanx Alan for posting about this. I really appreciate it. And I like the dog at the top. It really makes the site feel warm. Bless you. BTW and what I should have said first, thanx Alan for posting about this. I really appreciate it.

And I like the dog at the top. It really makes the site feel warm. Bless you.

]]> By: Torley http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6427 Torley Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:00:46 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6427 I was gonna sign up for a Flickr Pro account after likin' some of the other things on the site more and more--sorry, this dampered it for me. And Tao clued me in on more info too. BLAH. So, I'm staying with my free account for now. I was frustrated and wasted time trying to figure out why my snapshots weren't showing up in searches... ugh. :\ Rhiannon, good point... and there's gonna be more and more "photorealistic" effects in the future. *sigh* I was gonna sign up for a Flickr Pro account after likin’ some of the other things on the site more and more–sorry, this dampered it for me. And Tao clued me in on more info too. BLAH. So, I’m staying with my free account for now. I was frustrated and wasted time trying to figure out why my snapshots weren’t showing up in searches… ugh. :\

Rhiannon, good point… and there’s gonna be more and more “photorealistic” effects in the future.

*sigh*

]]> By: Rhiannon Chatnoir http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6411 Rhiannon Chatnoir Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:21:56 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6411 Another interesting addition to this is now Second Life has the ability to create actual light sources. So, in effect you can now do in-world lighting as if setting up a photo studio shot. Even if virtually.. I would think with the addition of light, the concept of 'exposure' does now exist. At least no different than with any cheap digital camera... outside of the fact that SL is virtual. Another interesting addition to this is now Second Life has the ability to create actual light sources. So, in effect you can now do in-world lighting as if setting up a photo studio shot. Even if virtually.. I would think with the addition of light, the concept of ‘exposure’ does now exist. At least no different than with any cheap digital camera… outside of the fact that SL is virtual.

]]> By: Tao Takashi http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-6410 Tao Takashi Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:21:51 +0000 http://cogdogblog.com/2006/05/23/i-have-a-bone-to-pick-with-flickr/#comment-6410 Just to inform you: I seem to be NIPSAs now as well. And I also got an reply to my inquiry about whether I should go pro or not. Again by Ana and just quoting that paragraph. I also did get NIPSAd without any note that it happened. Of course you don't know to whom that happened, too, as apparently you cannot find photos of them by searching e.g. for "secondlife". From what I check at least Spin Martin seems to be banned from searches, too. So this cuts me off the community aspect of flickr pretty much (same use case as Alan) and simply photo hosting is something I can do myself. I also started some discussion in flickr central and in the Second Life group but of course this is just community internal and no word in there from any flickr staff. Another thing is that not much SL people seem to care anyway, so it seems not to make much sense to put too much effort into this anyway. I am also aware that there are other photo hosters out there with tags but without NIPSA but it doesn't help actually if everybody else is on flickr. Maybe it's being worked on but then they should say so. At least for now they should at least be transparent about it and tell people that their account is marked (additionally they should maybe make more clear that they only want RL photos on there). Just to inform you: I seem to be NIPSAs now as well. And I also got an reply to my inquiry about whether I should go pro or not. Again by Ana and just quoting that paragraph. I also did get NIPSAd without any note that it happened. Of course you don’t know to whom that happened, too, as apparently you cannot find photos of them by searching e.g. for “secondlife”. From what I check at least Spin Martin seems to be banned from searches, too.

So this cuts me off the community aspect of flickr pretty much (same use case as Alan) and simply photo hosting is something I can do myself.

I also started some discussion in flickr central and in the Second Life group but of course this is just community internal and no word in there from any flickr staff. Another thing is that not much SL people seem to care anyway,
so it seems not to make much sense to put too much effort into this anyway.

I am also aware that there are other photo hosters out there with tags but without NIPSA but it doesn’t help actually if everybody else is on flickr.

Maybe it’s being worked on but then they should say so. At least for now they should at least be transparent about it and tell people that their account is marked (additionally they should maybe make more clear that they only want RL photos on there).

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