Comments on: Spray Your Updates Everwhere with Ping.fm

By: Alan Levine aka CogDog

Alan Levine aka CogDog — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:35:02 +0000

Michael- you are not dumb, especially if you reference Nirvana The things i post on twitter are much more, or shall i say, not equal to what i blog- hence the reason people even refer to it as “microbologging’.

By: Ton Zijlstra

Ton Zijlstra — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:39:05 +0000

@Catherine I should have said it breaks my conversational model, or in other words it currently makes it very hard for me to be aware or stay in the flow of conversations my ’sprayed’ utterings kick loose. As to models, they’re not meant to be broken (that’s rules), but there to help me understand the world, but certainly need to be thrown away if we find a better model to understand this. Models are tools. So yes, new conversational models that take into account the wide spectrum of channels that conversation can take place in simultaneously would be very useful.

By: michael chalk

michael chalk — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:23:56 +0000

So, what is the problem with relying on your blog’s RSS to send out your feeds? i don’t understand why you need to spray the web with notices about your latest post… when anyone who wants to read it is already subscribed.

i like reading what you write. That’s why i subscribe to your RSS. But the beauty of RSS is i get to decide when i read it.

But then i don’t understand twitter.
Send me a tweet to say you’ve posted a blog?
.. but i’ve got your RSS feed already.

Just Don’t Get It.
“i think i’m dumb” Nirvana, ‘93.

kind regards, michael

(“you” is meant to be generic above: please don’t take personally

By: Catherine Gynn

Catherine Gynn — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:58:57 +0000

Breaking a conversational model is not the question here. Models were made to be broken. The question (imho) is how do we theorize a conversational model that does account for different interface/place/channel/app & whatever is next.

By: Ton Zijlstra

Ton Zijlstra — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:38:28 +0000

Of course RSS can be used to collect any response, but that to me still breaks the conversational model as it is in a different interface/place/channel/app than where my original contributions are made. And indeed, mobile is a different beast entirely.

By: Alan Levine aka CogDog

Alan Levine aka CogDog — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:11:28 +0000

A three letter response for how to get the spray back.

all the services have RSS feeds, where you can get your responses back. Or you suck as many as you want into friendfeed and use its RSS feed. Okay, its not instantaneous, but you wont miss anything sprayed at you.

Ahh, if you want them on your phone, that might be another story.

And for me, its not how I get the sprayback, but how I get the people i want/like/value in the sprayback.

By: Ton Zijlstra

Ton Zijlstra — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:10:07 +0000

I’m with ez on this. It’s ok to be able to post to multiple channels simultaneously, but I really need a way just as easy to bring the responses to ’spraying’ back to me. Twitter, Jaiku, Pownce etc. are conversational tools to me, so I want to see the other half of the conversation too. That is why Jaiku is my main network, and I only use Twitter when at home behind my laptop screen. Jaiku lets me carry my conversations with me on my mobile.

By: ez

ez — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:24:59 +0000

I like your description of it as “spray”. Since ping.fm or hellotxt (or even twhirl for Pownce and Jaiku) are all one direction only, they supplement rather than replace going to the web sites or client. To see responses to what you sent, you would still need to go to all of these sites.

When I started sending copies of my posts to Pownce and Jaiku from twhirl, I found duplicated content in Friendfeed. I ended up just pulling in content from Twitter.