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	<title>Comments on: No Linked Attribution: When the CC Item Vanishes?</title>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-01-15 &#171; Gamer/Learner</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-75690</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-01-15 &#171; Gamer/Learner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No Linked Attribution: When the CC Item Vanishes? &#8211; CogDogBlog Great post about what happens to a creative commons licensed object when the original is no longer available &#8211; in short, you&#8217;re probably still ok to use it. (tags: copyright creative_commons web social_media ethics linking images)   Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)links for 2010-02-10links for 2009-10-19links for 2009-06-16Diigo Update (weekly) &#160;  Leave a Comment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No Linked Attribution: When the CC Item Vanishes? &#8211; CogDogBlog Great post about what happens to a creative commons licensed object when the original is no longer available &#8211; in short, you&#8217;re probably still ok to use it. (tags: copyright creative_commons web social_media ethics linking images)   Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)links for 2010-02-10links for 2009-10-19links for 2009-06-16Diigo Update (weekly) &nbsp;  Leave a Comment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine aka CogDog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73490</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Levine aka CogDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the representative from the Big State of Alaska-- There is nothing in any creative commons license that says you cannot download it from the source or make a copy, even No Derivatives.

Chris, your strategy of always using a dl-ed copy makes most sense for preservation of your content. I do that for my work sites, but get kind of lazy with the blog cause my copy and paste method is fast.

Of course no one reads blogs, especially old ones, so I&#039;m not worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the representative from the Big State of Alaska&#8211; There is nothing in any creative commons license that says you cannot download it from the source or make a copy, even No Derivatives.</p>
<p>Chris, your strategy of always using a dl-ed copy makes most sense for preservation of your content. I do that for my work sites, but get kind of lazy with the blog cause my copy and paste method is fast.</p>
<p>Of course no one reads blogs, especially old ones, so I&#8217;m not worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lott</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73489</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last response of mine is muddled, but the entry Alan quotes from the FAQ is quite clear. One may have a personal philosophy about share alike and changing of licenses, but I maintain one of the explicit points of CC licensing is just what the FAQ states. The fact that it can&#039;t be revoked is a cornerstone of the license and being &quot;in alignment with CC&quot; is, in part, recognizing that important property, not denying it.

Downloading or not is a red herring in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last response of mine is muddled, but the entry Alan quotes from the FAQ is quite clear. One may have a personal philosophy about share alike and changing of licenses, but I maintain one of the explicit points of CC licensing is just what the FAQ states. The fact that it can&#8217;t be revoked is a cornerstone of the license and being &#8220;in alignment with CC&#8221; is, in part, recognizing that important property, not denying it.</p>
<p>Downloading or not is a red herring in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lott</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73488</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Continuing to use the image by downloading it first doesn’t align to CC&quot;

As I understand it, that&#039;s completely backward. CC licenses can&#039;t be revoked or changed in a way that equals that license being revoked. Which is what Alan quotes above and is a very important part of what makes the CC license work for more than just the short term-- if it weren&#039;t in line with CC to use an image that was usable at the time of use subject to later changes we&#039;d be right back in essentially the same boat we are with screwed up &quot;normal&quot; copyright provisos. The nature of the CC license provides that stability necessary for re-use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Continuing to use the image by downloading it first doesn’t align to CC&#8221;</p>
<p>As I understand it, that&#8217;s completely backward. CC licenses can&#8217;t be revoked or changed in a way that equals that license being revoked. Which is what Alan quotes above and is a very important part of what makes the CC license work for more than just the short term&#8211; if it weren&#8217;t in line with CC to use an image that was usable at the time of use subject to later changes we&#8217;d be right back in essentially the same boat we are with screwed up &#8220;normal&#8221; copyright provisos. The nature of the CC license provides that stability necessary for re-use!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn Jay</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73485</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a mad Big Huge Labs mosaic maker - always with CC images - http://www.flickr.com/photos/learnscope/sets/72157605329337812/

I&#039;ve had a few instances where owners have removed images and I end up with a black gap that cannot be replaced without redoing the whole mosaic.

While this is frustrating, in the spirit of &#039;share alike&#039; I respect their decision. If they have decided they no longer want to share that image (perhaps for significant personal reasons) then we must accept it. Continuing to use the image by downloading it first doesn&#039;t align to CC in my mind.

BTW - your script is fab- have finally installed it. I use FlickR pics all the time in blog posts and am very particular about attribution. But its time consuming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a mad Big Huge Labs mosaic maker &#8211; always with CC images &#8211; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/learnscope/sets/72157605329337812/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/learnscope/sets/72157605329337812/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a few instances where owners have removed images and I end up with a black gap that cannot be replaced without redoing the whole mosaic.</p>
<p>While this is frustrating, in the spirit of &#8216;share alike&#8217; I respect their decision. If they have decided they no longer want to share that image (perhaps for significant personal reasons) then we must accept it. Continuing to use the image by downloading it first doesn&#8217;t align to CC in my mind.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; your script is fab- have finally installed it. I use FlickR pics all the time in blog posts and am very particular about attribution. But its time consuming.</p>
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		<title>By: Using CC Pictures Without a Link &#171;</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73480</link>
		<dc:creator>Using CC Pictures Without a Link &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 15, 2010 &#183; Leave a Comment  Alan Levine has a new post about using photos with a Creative Commons license without a link to the original [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73472</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m nothing if not edgy. :)

Don&#039;s comment and mine crossed in the ether so I&#039;m off to check out that tool. Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m nothing if not edgy. :)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;s comment and mine crossed in the ether so I&#8217;m off to check out that tool. Cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine aka CogDog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73466</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Levine aka CogDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a pretty edge case Martha, certainly possible, but I guess one can only make an effort to do the best you can.

That image stamper link Don posted might be the record keeping you seek?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a pretty edge case Martha, certainly possible, but I guess one can only make an effort to do the best you can.</p>
<p>That image stamper link Don posted might be the record keeping you seek?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine aka CogDog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73465</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Levine aka CogDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting approach, create a record of the cc uses. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting approach, create a record of the cc uses. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2010/01/13/no-linked-attribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73464</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I wonder about in terms of the &quot;perpetual&quot; nature of the license is where&#039;s the proof? Other than me saying that a photo I&#039;m using was once licensed under CC under Flickr, how can I prove that it was? Once a user deletes the photo or his/her account, doesn&#039;t the record of that license disappear? What if the original photographer claims to have never released the image that way? What if they did by accident and I grabbed it before they corrected their mistake, and they don&#039;t even remember making the mistake years later?

These are the questions that keep me up late at night! Well, not really. But its kind of an interesting thought exercise. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I wonder about in terms of the &#8220;perpetual&#8221; nature of the license is where&#8217;s the proof? Other than me saying that a photo I&#8217;m using was once licensed under CC under Flickr, how can I prove that it was? Once a user deletes the photo or his/her account, doesn&#8217;t the record of that license disappear? What if the original photographer claims to have never released the image that way? What if they did by accident and I grabbed it before they corrected their mistake, and they don&#8217;t even remember making the mistake years later?</p>
<p>These are the questions that keep me up late at night! Well, not really. But its kind of an interesting thought exercise. :-)</p>
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