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		<title>By: gaby</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/03/25/writing-for-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-132040</link>
		<dc:creator>gaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Putting links at the end of the text as Carr suggests takes us back to the era of footnotes in appendices, which is just a big time-consumer. Why waste time flipping (now, scrolling) to the end of a piece just to get a significant piece of info related to what you&#039;re reading?  If we could only hyperlink in books, I&#039;m sure we would have done so ages ago.  And yes, while it can be distracting, it&#039;s also essential.  If distraction is Carr&#039;s reason, then DON&#039;T add footnotes at all. And his distinction of the hyperlink as being a &quot;yank&quot;, compared to the footnote as being a &quot;gentle nudge&quot; is irrelevant.  If you&#039;re a curious reader, even footnotes can lead you to labyrinths of over-information (at least, based on my experience). Point is, we can&#039;t help but deal with distractions when we&#039;re reading, whatever we&#039;re reading.  I think people will eventually have to &quot;develop&quot; the intelligence to be disciplined readers who can filter out the most essential info in any digital post. And publishers/bloggers will also have to develop the intelligence to choose which media and data to add/link to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting links at the end of the text as Carr suggests takes us back to the era of footnotes in appendices, which is just a big time-consumer. Why waste time flipping (now, scrolling) to the end of a piece just to get a significant piece of info related to what you&#8217;re reading?  If we could only hyperlink in books, I&#8217;m sure we would have done so ages ago.  And yes, while it can be distracting, it&#8217;s also essential.  If distraction is Carr&#8217;s reason, then DON&#8217;T add footnotes at all. And his distinction of the hyperlink as being a &#8220;yank&#8221;, compared to the footnote as being a &#8220;gentle nudge&#8221; is irrelevant.  If you&#8217;re a curious reader, even footnotes can lead you to labyrinths of over-information (at least, based on my experience). Point is, we can&#8217;t help but deal with distractions when we&#8217;re reading, whatever we&#8217;re reading.  I think people will eventually have to &#8220;develop&#8221; the intelligence to be disciplined readers who can filter out the most essential info in any digital post. And publishers/bloggers will also have to develop the intelligence to choose which media and data to add/link to.</p>
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		<title>By: Infoskills 2.012 &#8211; Practical Exercises in Social Media Network Analysis #change11 &#171; OUseful.Info, the blog&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infoskills 2.012 &#8211; Practical Exercises in Social Media Network Analysis #change11 &#171; OUseful.Info, the blog&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] @cogdog/Alan Levine, I am reminded of Jon Udell&#8217;s Seven ways to think like the web. You do think like that, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] @cogdog/Alan Levine, I am reminded of Jon Udell&#8217;s Seven ways to think like the web. You do think like that, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Week 10: The Video Juggernaut Continues &#124; ds106 tricks</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/03/25/writing-for-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-131963</link>
		<dc:creator>Week 10: The Video Juggernaut Continues &#124; ds106 tricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is really to me a minimum of what makes a good assignment writeup. A strong post includes your own reflection, not just a narrating of the facts. It has a meaningful title, not just &#8220;Design Assignment&#8221;. If you are referencing movies, songs, characters, places- a stronger post includes hyperlinks to information web sites- the web is built on links- write for the web not just on it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is really to me a minimum of what makes a good assignment writeup. A strong post includes your own reflection, not just a narrating of the facts. It has a meaningful title, not just &#8220;Design Assignment&#8221;. If you are referencing movies, songs, characters, places- a stronger post includes hyperlinks to information web sites- the web is built on links- write for the web not just on it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/03/25/writing-for-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-131952</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My experience thus far certainly doesn&#039;t warrant any authoritative opinions on the matter (I&#039;m only 2 weeks into my first higher-ed teaching gig), but I&#039;m curious if there&#039;s some sort of environment that&#039;s trying to be preserved here at the higher-ed level with the lack of hyperlinked text, and properly annotated and cited works.

It seems as though there&#039;s a large body of thought that is based around encasing the written work in some sort of &quot;future proof&quot; shielding, as if keeping the text isolated will prevent it from being maligned with dead links or some other sort of internet perversion. 

As I watched a roomful of 9th graders spend almost a week researching and practicing proper MLA style citations, checking with their teacher every few minutes to make sure they were creating the citations properly, I became curious. I asked one of the teachers, &quot;how mission critical is it for these students to be able to produce proper MLA citations?&quot; The response was an emphatic, &quot;Extremely mission critical, as they&#039;ll be having to do this in college.&quot; I shook my head metaphorically; despite this being an amazing writing teacher, her experiences in her master&#039;s courses seemed to have convinced her that the citations on this one research paper would be of paramount importance for success in college, not for success in life.

I didn&#039;t have the heart to ask her the next question; &quot;if this is so important, why do students only do it once a year?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience thus far certainly doesn&#8217;t warrant any authoritative opinions on the matter (I&#8217;m only 2 weeks into my first higher-ed teaching gig), but I&#8217;m curious if there&#8217;s some sort of environment that&#8217;s trying to be preserved here at the higher-ed level with the lack of hyperlinked text, and properly annotated and cited works.</p>
<p>It seems as though there&#8217;s a large body of thought that is based around encasing the written work in some sort of &#8220;future proof&#8221; shielding, as if keeping the text isolated will prevent it from being maligned with dead links or some other sort of internet perversion. </p>
<p>As I watched a roomful of 9th graders spend almost a week researching and practicing proper MLA style citations, checking with their teacher every few minutes to make sure they were creating the citations properly, I became curious. I asked one of the teachers, &#8220;how mission critical is it for these students to be able to produce proper MLA citations?&#8221; The response was an emphatic, &#8220;Extremely mission critical, as they&#8217;ll be having to do this in college.&#8221; I shook my head metaphorically; despite this being an amazing writing teacher, her experiences in her master&#8217;s courses seemed to have convinced her that the citations on this one research paper would be of paramount importance for success in college, not for success in life.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have the heart to ask her the next question; &#8220;if this is so important, why do students only do it once a year?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Owens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see a rich text editor make the process of adding links even more seamless. It seems right now (for me at least) the writing is easy, but going back and linking is just a bit more work. It requires me to stop my train of thought, find that link, and then either write the HTML or use the link button and paste that link. Then where was I? Oh yeah so what I was saying....it breaks the train of thought. I don&#039;t know what a better way would look like. Maybe a keyboard hotkey that pulls up a text box where I can type a search, it looks both through my history as well as Google search, I grab the link and give it a name, and I&#039;m back at the editor moving along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a rich text editor make the process of adding links even more seamless. It seems right now (for me at least) the writing is easy, but going back and linking is just a bit more work. It requires me to stop my train of thought, find that link, and then either write the HTML or use the link button and paste that link. Then where was I? Oh yeah so what I was saying&#8230;.it breaks the train of thought. I don&#8217;t know what a better way would look like. Maybe a keyboard hotkey that pulls up a text box where I can type a search, it looks both through my history as well as Google search, I grab the link and give it a name, and I&#8217;m back at the editor moving along.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine aka CogDog</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/03/25/writing-for-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-131948</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Levine aka CogDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forget to include this perspective (and as well  forgot whose blog it was that held this conversation recently).

This to me me is a place where we need to break down a bit more of where and what kind of writing is happening. Look for an edit above soon....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget to include this perspective (and as well  forgot whose blog it was that held this conversation recently).</p>
<p>This to me me is a place where we need to break down a bit more of where and what kind of writing is happening. Look for an edit above soon&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dkernohan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/03/25/writing-for-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-131944</link>
		<dc:creator>dkernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With you 100% on hyperlinks to sources and related info - newspapers are *just* in 2012 starting to catch on to how useful this is.

But I would have added that embedded rich media should be used carefully... only where it genuinely advances the argument you are making and taking account of accessibility. It can be enormously irritating otherwise.

One other]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With you 100% on hyperlinks to sources and related info &#8211; newspapers are *just* in 2012 starting to catch on to how useful this is.</p>
<p>But I would have added that embedded rich media should be used carefully&#8230; only where it genuinely advances the argument you are making and taking account of accessibility. It can be enormously irritating otherwise.</p>
<p>One other</p>
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