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	<title>Comments on: They Should Call it Barrier not Banner</title>
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	<description>Alan Levine Barks Here</description>
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		<title>By: Fatigue is fatal &#124; learning about learning</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/08/29/they-should-call-it-barrier-not-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-161770</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatigue is fatal &#124; learning about learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cogdog may be shocked to hear it, Banner is a vast improvement over our legacy system.    Written by Ted  Posted in Uncategorized   [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cogdog may be shocked to hear it, Banner is a vast improvement over our legacy system.    Written by Ted  Posted in Uncategorized   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Strong</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/08/29/they-should-call-it-barrier-not-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-161716</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s even worse when Banner has the wrong cap for a course - either students think they are shut out when they actually could get in once it&#039;s fixed, or students end up getting dropped. The former happened to me once. Very aggravating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s even worse when Banner has the wrong cap for a course &#8211; either students think they are shut out when they actually could get in once it&#8217;s fixed, or students end up getting dropped. The former happened to me once. Very aggravating.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Branson Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Branson Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bullets three and four are the CUNY student information management system (SIMS) exactly. Live mode all the time, no pausing to build or buy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullets three and four are the CUNY student information management system (SIMS) exactly. Live mode all the time, no pausing to build or buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lott</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/08/29/they-should-call-it-barrier-not-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-151107</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear you...Banner is practically a four-letter word here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you&#8230;Banner is practically a four-letter word here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just Virginia, most higher ed Universities and Colleges use one of two Student Information Systems, Banner or PeopleSoft/Oracle. Having used both they are both clumsy, and full of kludgy goodness.  If you think LMS&#039;s are bloated, wait til you see what garbage you have to deal with when you use the SIS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just Virginia, most higher ed Universities and Colleges use one of two Student Information Systems, Banner or PeopleSoft/Oracle. Having used both they are both clumsy, and full of kludgy goodness.  If you think LMS&#8217;s are bloated, wait til you see what garbage you have to deal with when you use the SIS.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Finn-Derecki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Finn-Derecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan, I feel your pain. Having dug into the Banner interface, I can tell you that it is a system designed to crunch numbers, not serve individual users. Where these systems fall down HARD is on their front-end functionality. If they would kindly open up their data via secure web services, they could let real third-party web developers design workflows that would sit on top of the data and serve the users rather than the number crunchers. This is what happens when they try to crunch a legacy mainframe system into the web with the promise of &#039;ta-da!&#039; instant usability. You can&#039;t get there from here, and they never will, until they open it up with a decent API.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I feel your pain. Having dug into the Banner interface, I can tell you that it is a system designed to crunch numbers, not serve individual users. Where these systems fall down HARD is on their front-end functionality. If they would kindly open up their data via secure web services, they could let real third-party web developers design workflows that would sit on top of the data and serve the users rather than the number crunchers. This is what happens when they try to crunch a legacy mainframe system into the web with the promise of &#8216;ta-da!&#8217; instant usability. You can&#8217;t get there from here, and they never will, until they open it up with a decent API.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Owens</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/08/29/they-should-call-it-barrier-not-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-151045</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s absolutely insane about Banner is that (at least in Virginia) they have a complete monopoly on higher education. Every school I&#039;ve ever talked to uses them. Big and small. For such an awful piece of software at such a massive expense, there is almost no competition in the field. Crazytown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s absolutely insane about Banner is that (at least in Virginia) they have a complete monopoly on higher education. Every school I&#8217;ve ever talked to uses them. Big and small. For such an awful piece of software at such a massive expense, there is almost no competition in the field. Crazytown.</p>
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