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		<title>By: &#8220;If a Tree Falls in a Forest&#8221; &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;If a Tree Falls in a Forest&#8221; &#171; UK Web Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you NOT blogging?; Every box you type in can be a doorway to creativity, and in a roundabout way, Gotta know when to walk. Alan&#8217;s first post provides his reflections on his blogging activities since he started 0n 19 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you NOT blogging?; Every box you type in can be a doorway to creativity, and in a roundabout way, Gotta know when to walk. Alan&#8217;s first post provides his reflections on his blogging activities since he started 0n 19 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: One example of industrial e-learning as &#8220;on the web&#8221; not &#8220;of the web&#8221; &#171; The Weblog of (a) David Jones</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/09/04/gotta-know/comment-page-1/#comment-151687</link>
		<dc:creator>One example of industrial e-learning as &#8220;on the web&#8221; not &#8220;of the web&#8221; &#171; The Weblog of (a) David Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with the idea of &#8220;minimum course sites&#8221; and this observation from @cogdog in this blog post I have no idea if this is off base, but frankly it is a major (to me) difference of doing things ON [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the idea of &#8220;minimum course sites&#8221; and this observation from @cogdog in this blog post I have no idea if this is off base, but frankly it is a major (to me) difference of doing things ON [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Opportunities: Scaling Cooperation &#171; Clyde Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Opportunities: Scaling Cooperation &#171; Clyde Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Alan Levine&#8217;s Gotta Know When To Walk [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/09/04/gotta-know/comment-page-1/#comment-151623</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I spend a lot of time away from that audience. Mea culpa.

I do not have time for said navel gazing given I am teaching a real class of 23 real students, mentoring a few hundred other open participants, and building out the platform that enables this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I spend a lot of time away from that audience. Mea culpa.</p>
<p>I do not have time for said navel gazing given I am teaching a real class of 23 real students, mentoring a few hundred other open participants, and building out the platform that enables this.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Vaile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa Vaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An afterthought ~ somebody, lots of somebodies actually, has to work on adapting this model to actual teaching of real subjects, not just navel gazing about the process and arguing about what a mooc is and how many can dance on the head of a pin. If that&#039;s all the model is ever used for, then xMOOCs have the ball and a clear field to run with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An afterthought ~ somebody, lots of somebodies actually, has to work on adapting this model to actual teaching of real subjects, not just navel gazing about the process and arguing about what a mooc is and how many can dance on the head of a pin. If that&#8217;s all the model is ever used for, then xMOOCs have the ball and a clear field to run with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Vaile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa Vaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll miss your presence but saw it coming too. Besides I already follow your blog. 

Multiple modes = multiple points of entry, which increase access and options. I work with/blog for a number of local users who are not comfortable online (or, worse, think they are but have huge gaps in competencies) and try to accommodate all of them as best I can. Accommodating one group can turn away others. My own situation, is, of course much less structured.

The same goes for higher ed types in my NewFac cohort and among its wider audience. Rural grannies and proffies are not as different in this as one might expect. It&#039;s important not to let accommodating turn into dis-accommodating yourself and eating up time you don&#039;t have to spare.

I would also add that some of the newbies might be in the class because they are expected to start teaching online and do not have the option to do JRees imitations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll miss your presence but saw it coming too. Besides I already follow your blog. </p>
<p>Multiple modes = multiple points of entry, which increase access and options. I work with/blog for a number of local users who are not comfortable online (or, worse, think they are but have huge gaps in competencies) and try to accommodate all of them as best I can. Accommodating one group can turn away others. My own situation, is, of course much less structured.</p>
<p>The same goes for higher ed types in my NewFac cohort and among its wider audience. Rural grannies and proffies are not as different in this as one might expect. It&#8217;s important not to let accommodating turn into dis-accommodating yourself and eating up time you don&#8217;t have to spare.</p>
<p>I would also add that some of the newbies might be in the class because they are expected to start teaching online and do not have the option to do JRees imitations.</p>
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		<title>By: RovingLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>RovingLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For our assignment this week, we told our students to figure ut how to make an animated GIF....To me this is the kind of modern learning that we need to be doing, because the world is changing too fast for us to be designing well formed structures.&quot; 

Yes. The assignment is NOT to make a animated GIF.  The assignment is to figure out how to make an animated GIF. This is precisely the place where I struggle as I inhabit the web instead of just using it. I would probably feel more comfortable if you asked me to figure out how to frame a window, though I have about as many web skills as carpentry skills. Maybe more. Perhaps the trick is feeling free to fail--to think of it like paint: &quot;It&#039;s just paint.  You can always paint over it.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For our assignment this week, we told our students to figure ut how to make an animated GIF&#8230;.To me this is the kind of modern learning that we need to be doing, because the world is changing too fast for us to be designing well formed structures.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes. The assignment is NOT to make a animated GIF.  The assignment is to figure out how to make an animated GIF. This is precisely the place where I struggle as I inhabit the web instead of just using it. I would probably feel more comfortable if you asked me to figure out how to frame a window, though I have about as many web skills as carpentry skills. Maybe more. Perhaps the trick is feeling free to fail&#8211;to think of it like paint: &#8220;It&#8217;s just paint.  You can always paint over it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tetestinta</title>
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		<dc:creator>tetestinta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cool dog blog]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool dog blog</p>
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		<title>By: dkernohan</title>
		<link>http://cogdogblog.com/2012/09/04/gotta-know/comment-page-1/#comment-151589</link>
		<dc:creator>dkernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 06:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;is a major (to me) difference of doing things ON the web (e.g. putting stuff inside LMSes) and doing things OF the web. I am not saying people have to be experts at web stuff, but the web should be like a place they feel like they inhabit, not just visit or witness through a glass plate window.&quot;

Very important observation, beautifully put. I wish more people got this. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is a major (to me) difference of doing things ON the web (e.g. putting stuff inside LMSes) and doing things OF the web. I am not saying people have to be experts at web stuff, but the web should be like a place they feel like they inhabit, not just visit or witness through a glass plate window.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very important observation, beautifully put. I wish more people got this. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa M Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa M Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I knew this would happen, and I&#039;m sorry.

I completely agree that people who don&#039;t know much about the web shouldn&#039;t be teaching online. But they do, every day, at many institutions, public and private. We&#039;re trying to do something about that. But our method has never been to throw people into the pool, despite the fact that I myself learn quite well that way. Professionals who already have a calling and are now changing environments (often by force) do not, by and large, benefit from being thrown in the deep end.

I don&#039;t like the term &quot;novice&quot; either, I don&#039;t (and didn&#039;t) like labeling and dividing, I am totally uncomfortable with so much of it. But at the end of the day, we are trying to do something different than ds106 or cckxx or Coursera or many of the models we&#039;ve had to reject. I think at this point we&#039;re closer to EC&amp;I831. 

And of course your post IS a criticism, and of course that&#039;s OK, and needed, and important. And thanks for removing the frothing. What would be awful is if we all went through the past few days without reflection, communication, respect, or cogent thought about all these issues. 

BTW, I&#039;ve left several classes myself because they didn&#039;t fit me and of course one should not have to suffer in any environment that doesn&#039;t help one grow. (At least not now that we&#039;re not undergraduates any more.) I recall something taught by someone called Bonk...

And for the record, having watched your work all summer, I never saw that you needed any help being an online teacher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew this would happen, and I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>I completely agree that people who don&#8217;t know much about the web shouldn&#8217;t be teaching online. But they do, every day, at many institutions, public and private. We&#8217;re trying to do something about that. But our method has never been to throw people into the pool, despite the fact that I myself learn quite well that way. Professionals who already have a calling and are now changing environments (often by force) do not, by and large, benefit from being thrown in the deep end.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the term &#8220;novice&#8221; either, I don&#8217;t (and didn&#8217;t) like labeling and dividing, I am totally uncomfortable with so much of it. But at the end of the day, we are trying to do something different than ds106 or cckxx or Coursera or many of the models we&#8217;ve had to reject. I think at this point we&#8217;re closer to EC&amp;I831. </p>
<p>And of course your post IS a criticism, and of course that&#8217;s OK, and needed, and important. And thanks for removing the frothing. What would be awful is if we all went through the past few days without reflection, communication, respect, or cogent thought about all these issues. </p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;ve left several classes myself because they didn&#8217;t fit me and of course one should not have to suffer in any environment that doesn&#8217;t help one grow. (At least not now that we&#8217;re not undergraduates any more.) I recall something taught by someone called Bonk&#8230;</p>
<p>And for the record, having watched your work all summer, I never saw that you needed any help being an online teacher.</p>
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