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CDB Entry: Rip. Mix. Feed. How?

Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:56 -0700

Apple had the perhaps now ill-fated "Rip, Mix, Burn" concept for music-- I am looking for something similar (less lawyer intensive) for RSS feeds. It is taking feeds breaking them apart, and rebuilding them into something new. We can rebuild...

comment by: Greg Gershman

Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:19:42 -0700

Hi, I'm Greg, from Blogdigger; thanks for the kind words about Blogdigger Groups, I'm glad you found it useful. As you mentioned, Groups is still in beta, and in need of some obvious improvements but we are hoping to get the newer version out relatively soon. The filtering is currently disabled (apologies), it will be working in the new version.

One new feature I'm working on is a Groups alias; for example: http://groups.blogdigger.com/athens2004. If you would like, I can put an alias in for your Group, just send me an email and let me know what you would like to use. And I'd love to get any other feedback, we're always looking for ideas!

Thanks!

comment by: Scott Johnson

Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:39:22 -0700

Hi there,

You're definitely right -- Feedpapers are powerful but they aren't real time enough and we need to fix that. Your input is actually quite timely (since I'm working on them now) and I'll let you know status shortly.

Take care.

Scott (Yes I write Feedster code and I'm responsible for many of its flaws ;-) ).

comment by: Carmen Holotescu

Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:49:28 -0700

Hi,

I'm Carmen, from Timsoft-eLearning Romania - http://www.timsoft.ro.

I found Alan's blog ( and of course the entire weblog ) and comments very interesting.

I also appreciate Blogdigger's facilities and am waiting for the Feedpapers news.

My intentions in using Blogdigger Groups are:

:: a ( private ) group for the online courses moderated by a facilitator; at Timsoft, we have developed a VLE called eLearnTS; each virtual space has its own RSS, collecting the new messages and the facilitator's announcements; it's a private RSS feed ( URL specified by: http://username:password@address ); Blogdigger doesn't recognise such a RSS feed; neither Bloglines; we use Serence KlipFolio ( http://www.serence.com ), which is a desktop RSS Reader, but it displays each RSS separately;

:: a group for Learning Objects/Resources specified by RSS-LOM feeds - such an example is http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml ( see Stephen Downes - http://www.downes.ca/xml/RSS_LOM.htm ); a group of RSS-LOMs would be useful, especially when the filters will be available; even if Blogdigger adds such RSS-LOM files to the group, it doesn't display the corresponding items.

I would appreciate your feedback on grouping these RSS variants.

Thanks,
Carmen

comment by: Alan Levine

Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:11:36 -0700

Carmen,

Thanks for visiting from Romania.

I doubt any "expertise" I have may help, but since your feeds are apparently very specialized, it sounds like to me you may have to develop or program your own aggregator.

To use these tools, your RSS feeds must have XML with the equivaleints if item -> title, item -> link, item -> description which I do not really see in ones such as http://www.timsoft.ro/aux/ex-rss-lom3.xml

so it is no surprsie standard tools cannot do much with the data. Just because something is XML does NOT mean that any RSS tool can process it.

Depending on which programing tools are available (PHP, JSP, ASP, perl) you can likely find existing libraries that can help convert the XML to some sort of data set (array) and then re-purpose the output.

Wish I had something more specific.

comment by: Robin Good

Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:48:24 -0700

You are definitely moving in the right direction, and I am all for supporting whoever else senses the relevance of this for our future.

I have made a short news post (http://tinyurl.com/3dkdy) to provide a few suggestions in relation to other tools that can be used to do this newsmastering task and I have been eagerly looking up to companies that wanted to take this challenge seriously, as the opportunity for a great killer app is all there to be tapped.

Unfortunately they are all sleeping on it.

From Technorati to Six Apart, Feedster, PubSub, Bloglines and many others, not one has been able to attack, understand and prototype an RSS news mixing Web application like we really need.

My bet is that the one that will do this first and best, will have great profit-making opportunities for a long time to come. Many business models can be built around this, while leaving open to its natural free flow the core basic content that blogs originate.

Keep it up and come by to get your free complimentary NewsMasters Toolkit. You and Brian deserve one!

comment by: Tim Lauer

Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:16:50 -0700

Hi Alan,
Am not sure if you have seen Feedburner or not, http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home but it too allows you to combine RSS feeds into a single feed. I set one up to combine my Flickr posts with my weblog...

http://feeds.feedburner.com/Education/technology-TimLauer

Oh and thanks for the Blogger post... Lots of good information to help me plan for a class.

Tim Lauer

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